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      CommentAuthorMono
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2004
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    Vote count
    Dasquian - 2 (Miv, Alluric)
    Miv 2 - (Dasquian, Carmine)
    Not voting: Bumblebee

    With 5 alive it's 3 to lynch

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      CommentAuthorDasquian
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2004
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    Well, that clears up who the other mafia is Though, I was wrong - I thought it was Carmine.

    You know what, so did I. Can you tell me why you thought this?

    Sure can.

    First off is just Background Suspicion of her which I feel is a healthy way to treat any other player, not least Carmine ;) There was nothing convincing on her though, just a nagging feeling and being on the various bandwagons. Most of my suspicion was during the night though, after I submitted the choice to investigate miv.

    I was trying to work out who I'd suspect if he came up as mafia - looking through the day there was a fair amount of correlation between miv and Carmine. Page 1, after them both deliberating about how they had to be careful, miv quickly followed Carmine's vote on Haug to 2 votes. Page 2 (near the bottom) had them making nigh-identical posts interrogating T. I also figured that with Carmine being on the T bandwagon, that might explain why a Mafia Miv would've gone the extra yard to stay off of it when the day ended.

    So I was thinking that if miv came up guilty, Carmine would be his Partner in Crime because of the amount of apparent cooperation. Which goes to show how useful that line of thinking was ;)

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      CommentAuthorDasquian
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2004
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    Oh, btw - I am going to my parents for most of the weekend so if you've got any more questions for me, asking them in the next 12 hours would be good :)

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      CommentAuthorAlluric
    • CommentTimeJul 3rd 2004
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    Bumblebee I never said you admited your reason where crap, I said I thought
    they where (and still do) think they where crap. I therefore thought
    "ah ha, a mafia member going for the easy lynch, tonight Ill investigate him!"
    then you turned out much to my surprise to be innocent

    as for Dasquian Voting for Miv I suggested it because Dasquian is crafty, he knows
    how to work a town, but the fact he hasn't removed his vote and Carmine has
    added hers makes me believe that Carmine is the second mafia.

    tis true though I have handled this terribly, putting the town in the bad spot.
    Dasquian is relying on the role name garned from the first post to pass
    him through safely, where as I took it for granted and thus made a mess of things.

    This all now comes down to you Bumblebee, tonight this is decided. you have 3
    options, vote for Miv and allow the Mafia to win, Vote for Dasquian or Carmine and aid the Town.
    or vote for a no lynch, remember though that a no lynch (if it is completed)
    will result in either, you, me or Miv dying tonight and this ending in a Tie.

    oh and if you want to see which game I played in, follow Dasquians link and
    look for the game with ABANDONED
    (lack of info, particpation and moderators) next to its name, I didnt post a
    link because it would have been redundant.

    and yes, if you get this wrong i'll never let you forget it. :wink:

    Alluric

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      CommentAuthorDasquian
    • CommentTimeJul 3rd 2004
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    I'm not just relying on you messing up the role-name, though that certainly helps my case. Hopefully it should be obvious from my actions that I'm the real cop and miv and Alluric are lying.

    This all now comes down to you Bumblebee, tonight this is decided. you have 3
    options

    Actually, you only have two options - as I'm sure you've worked out, if you vote no lynch then the mafia will kill any one of us overnight and the town will lose control of the lynch vote, and the mafia will win. It will not, as Alluric suggests, result in a tie :roll:

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      CommentAuthorAlluric
    • CommentTimeJul 3rd 2004
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    that dosent make sense, there will be two townies and two mafia, a tie situation.

    Alluric

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      CommentAuthorDasquian
    • CommentTimeJul 3rd 2004
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    Don't play dumb - you'd be going no lynch tomorrow too, then the mafia kill someone else off in the night, and then there'd be two mafia and a townie the next day.

    Besides, even if that's how it worked, are you really advocating a draw?

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      CommentAuthorAlluric
    • CommentTimeJul 3rd 2004
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    now who's playing dumb, did you forget about your own night kill.
    if we go no lynch today, The mafia still kill a townie tonight
    leaving us with two townies and two mafia. a tie situation as far as I understand it.
    and just so you know, id never advocate a no lynch twice in a row.

    and Yes, id always prefer a tie over a mafia win because atleast part of the town survives, where as Dasquian appears to want a mafia win much more then a tie.

    Bumblebee the choice is yours, Id prefer a town win all the same so choose Dasquian or Carmine.

    Alluric

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      CommentAuthorBumbleBee
    • CommentTimeJul 4th 2004
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    Decision made. Any last words before I vote people?

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      CommentAuthorAlluric
    • CommentTimeJul 4th 2004
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    Never trust Dasquian!

    good luck Bumblebee

    Alluric

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      CommentAuthorCarmine
    • CommentTimeJul 4th 2004
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    Sorry, not really got anything more to add as most of the discussion has stemmed from the counter-claim and the rings Dasquian and Alluric have been running around each other ever since. I stand by my vote.

    And just to point out yet another flaw in Alluric's logic:

    two townies and two mafia. a tie situation as far as I understand it.

    This isn't true. In a two townie, two mafia situation the mafia will win because the townies cannot get the lynch they need. The day will go to no lynch (unless the mafia can persuade an innocent to their side) and then the mafia will kill a townie in the night, thereby being in a full majority.

    I'm sure you already knew this, however.

    It's all yours, BumbleBee.

    Hi Colonic: In a game run by Carmine, with 9 people, how many killing groups would you expect there to be? Mono: 10
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      CommentAuthorAlluric
    • CommentTimeJul 4th 2004
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    Actually I didn't, in the card (real world) game (atleast at my school where I learnt it)
    if it came down to an even number of Mafia to Townies the game ends as a tie.

    but then again, I wouldnt trust you as your the second mafia member.

    Alluric

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      CommentAuthorDasquian
    • CommentTimeJul 4th 2004
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    Last words? If you've already made your decision: "Please be voting miv today and Alluric tomorrow," I guess ;)

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      CommentAuthorAlluric
    • CommentTimeJul 4th 2004
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    except that if bumblebee votes for miv today I die tonight and its all over tommorow.

    I cant handle the suspense, make the vote now

    Alluric

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      CommentAuthorBumbleBee
    • CommentTimeJul 4th 2004
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    Sorry, busy week end.
    I am voting (in case anyone is interested) because of the reasons I outlined earlier. What finally tipped the balance was the suggestion of a no lynch. At this stage it would be certain death for the town and I don't want that.
    Here's hoping........
    vote miv

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      CommentAuthorDasquian
    • CommentTimeJul 4th 2004
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    *breathes a sigh of relief*

    You've made the right decision :)

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      CommentAuthorMono
    • CommentTimeJul 4th 2004
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    That's a lynch!
    Final vote count
    Miv 3 - (Dasquian, Carmine, Bumblebee)
    Dasquian - 2 (Miv, Alluric)

    Miv was Gluttony, one of the decent sins who wanted to corrupt the world as a group.

    That means that the extra evils sins have won! Shock, shock horror, horror, shock, shock, horror!

    Yes. The extra evil sins Envy and Wrath (Carmine and Dasquian) have won!

    Post game discussion starting soon.

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      CommentAuthorDasquian
    • CommentTimeSep 10th 2004
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    Ordering games, last post.

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