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Noise - Mafia games: [Closed] Mini 6: Psychotherapy Mafia - Game over, the anger mafia win!
Bottom of PageTwo more days, huh? Cool. Let's make them count.
Spookybeth's case against HC was valid if a little thin, but I think HC's answered it, tbh.
What do you think of HC's response, Spookybeth?I'm convinced that etain isn't mafia despite her current lurking because of her voting Haug from so early and for so long.
She could be the serial killer, but like HC said, lynching the serial killer could be tantamount to suicide.I'm not totally sure about Locxa, but I'm much more suspicious of spookybeth's manipulations, if I'm honest.
vote Spookybeth
Anything found in your re-read etain?
Everybody loves the papoola.- CommentAuthorHi Colonic
- CommentTimeDec 4th 2006
I hope Spookbeth hasn't slipped back into lurk mode hoping we'd hit a no lynch (potentially handing the game to the Mafia).
spookybeth - 2 (Hi Colonic, Daegul)
Hi Colonic - 1 (spookybeth)
Not voting - 2 (etain, Locxa)3 to lynch!
Everyone is loving the big funny joke.- CommentAuthorspookybeth
- CommentTimeDec 4th 2006
Well this is somewhat amusing, HC is acusing me of lurking, while Daegul is acusing me of leading and being too loud
I'm now doubting that HC is the SK and thinking that HC and Daegul are scumbuddies, whether that is on Haug's team or a seperate mafia - I don't know yet.
As for the idea of there being two remaining "depression mafia" and lynching the SK being suicide, you are forgetting that if there are 2 remaining mafia and a SK, that lynching 1 of the mafia would still leave 1, meaning there would be 2 kills tonight so it comes to the same conclusion.
If there are 2 mafia teams (I'm guessing of 2) still in play, then going for the remaining Haug mafia today means that the other mafia win then and there.
What do I think of HC's rebuttal? I think it's very convenient that he didn't share his description previously and now has a blurb that counters all of the points raised against it and fits his story (and coincidentally, doesn't sit with any of the other role descriptions we have as an example).
In short, I call bullshit.I'm trying to avoid horrendously long posts since people don't like reading them, but I will post more tomorrow at work. Please wait to hear what I have to say before anyone decides to put that last vote on, that would be suicide.
Kiss me! - I have awesome powers!Posted By: Spookybeth
Well this is somewhat amusing, HC is acusing me of lurking, while Daegul is acusing me of leading and being too loud
You have been very much lurking recently.
Weirdly enough, pretty much since I first accused you of being manipulative.Posted By: Spookybeth
I'm now doubting that HC is the SK and thinking that HC and Daegul are scumbuddies...
Well you would say that now, wouldn't you - seeing as we're both voting for you.
I guess that's as close as you can get to a double OMGUS.Posted By: Spookybeth
As for the idea of there being two remaining "depression mafia" and lynching the SK being suicide, you are forgetting that if there are 2 remaining mafia and a SK, that lynching 1 of the mafia would still leave 1, meaning there would be 2 kills tonight so it comes to the same conclusion.
Well there you're wrong.
Lynching 1 mafia in that situation could indeed result in two night kills.
Assuming they kill townies, that leaves 1 SK, 1 Mafia and 1 townie.
In that situation, any one bad guy can only win if they kill the other bad guy and the other bad guy kills the townie.
So both bad guys will kill each other.
That's as long as they can tell who the other bad guy is, but remember - the bad guys have more information than us.However, if we lynch the SK, there'll be 1 night kill which is guaranteed to be a townie.
Everybody loves the papoola.
That leaves us 2 vs 2 and we can't get a lynch majority, so we lose.- CommentAuthorspookybeth
- CommentTimeDec 4th 2006
I’m lurking now am I? That’s crap and you know it. I think you're starting to get sloppy in your desperation to see me lynched today.
From the start of the day: I posted twice on Tuesday, then on Thursday, Friday and Sunday.
Over the next week I had time off work because I was moving house and I was doing out and about stuff rather than office stuff at work so I didn’t get to post until Friday, when I posted a shitload. Then it was the weekend and I had no computer access, plus I was still moving house.
I then posted on Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday, there was another weekend (No computer access over the weekend) and then I bribed a friend so I could use their computer for half an hour and posted last night, as it’s been very busy at work lately and I didn’t get a chance to post from work.
That’s averaging a post at least every second day, and they’re all big posts. That’s not lurking.
Kiss me! - I have awesome powers!- CommentAuthorspookybeth
- CommentTimeDec 4th 2006
Daegul has claimed that I have appeared very sure of myself all through the game, and only voiced uncertainty around Haug’s lynch, this is not so.
Day one I voted for Serenity. If you read my post here,
http://scene.nfshost.com/viewtopic.php?p=4354#4354
you will see that I was not “sure of myselfâ€. I analysed the case against him as I thought it was being presented and asked to be corrected if my reasoning was flawed or I was just being stupid. If I was “sure of myself†I wouldn’t have asked for help or advice.
Day two I voted for Dubya. I waited until he had responded unsatisfactorily to the points raised against him, waited a bit longer for him to defend himself, and then voted. I was already nervous then about getting it wrong again and I said as much.
Posted By: spookybeth
Despite the obvious suck factor of Dubya's rush final vote, and his general lurkiness, and his resistance to providing reasonable explanations or even discussing the game much...
I've been hesitant to slap a vote on after what happened on day one.
But I've been keeping track of other people's thoughts on it all, thinking, thinking, waiting for Dubya to give me a good reason not to vote for him, thinking etc.
Waiting to give him a chance to defend himself before I vote.
He's posted since and seems to be refusing to discuss people's accusations or address questions directed at him.I will also mention again that everyone here today voted for Dubya, so I don't think it's particularly solid evidence against me specifically.
Kiss me! - I have awesome powers!- CommentAuthorspookybeth
- CommentTimeDec 4th 2006
HC has said that he thinks I’m guilty because I voted for 2 townies, and not voting for Haug simply cemented his suspicions. I understand the Haug thing, but I don’t see how my previous voting alone could’ve been enough to “convince†anyone I’m evil.
I voted for Serenity on day one. He looked guilty enough that both the doctor, and the cop (who is usually against day one voting) voted for him, and if you recall, it all ended suddenly, so I didn’t have time to reconsider.
I voted for Dubya on day 2, and I would like to point out that everyone alive today voted for Dubya (although Etain’s vote did come after the lynch was decided). Even then I held off on voting until he’d had a chance to respond to the points raised against him and responded poorly.
HC was on the Dubya bandwagon and has said he would’ve been on the Serenity bandwagon as well if he’d been around then, so by his own admission, he would have voted for 2 townies as well.
Tick was on both those bandwagons, and he was innocent. Daegul was also on both those bandwagons, why doesn’t that make him suspicious?
Kiss me! - I have awesome powers!- CommentAuthorspookybeth
- CommentTimeDec 4th 2006
No, I’m not suggesting that you are mafia together as an OMGUS reaction. I’m thinking it because of your suspicious actions, and your siding with HC.
General dodginess:
You said this after Serenity was lynched and you were questioned for putting on the second last vote:
Posted By: Daegul
Hey, I wanted some debate of his claim, not a speed lynch.
Well then why did you put him one away from a lynch? What were you hoping to evoke by voting rather than discussing? You could have debated it without voting. And from your post on day one, where you voted:
http://scene.nfshost.com/viewtopic.php?p=4355#4355
it sounds more like you were voting to lynch (because he looked guilty and not very useful) rather than to generate debate, which counters your day 2 defence.
You also voted last for Dubya. That’s 2 townies down.
Daegul defending Hi Colonic:
On day one, you said this:
Posted By: Daegul
The best case I can come up with is against Hi Colonic for his failed vote - he should know better.
Then Dubya votes for me – No specific reason, just to get the ball rolling
And Carmine votes for HC because he seems suspicious and to get the ball rolling – has reason.
but then, Daegul votes for me “to get things moving†– no reason, ignoring Carmine’s comment and vote, and your own initial statement about HC being the best case you could see at that point.
Since then Daegul has ignored the points I’ve raised against HC, and ignored my defence of myself. He's also acknowledged HC’s points against me even though they have no evidence now that they didn’t have at the start of the day: their entire case against me is that I didn’t vote for Haug.
Daegul did briefly acknowledge my points about HC’s claim, but when HC came back with a convenient and not particularly convincing response, Daegul was apparently satisfied with that, and didn’t even question it.
Doesn't this strike anyone else as a lot of dodgy from Daegul, and evidence of an asociation?
Kiss me! - I have awesome powers!- CommentAuthorHi Colonic
- CommentTimeDec 5th 2006
Posted By: spookybeth
If there are 2 mafia teams (I'm guessing of 2) still in play,
Your first game here, and you've invented a second Mafia team already? Well, yes. It would fit the theory nicely, but there's something about Occam's razor being what is most obvious is actually quite often obvious for the simple reason that it's right.
But why would you think there's two Mafia teams? We're (thankfully) low on night time kills, so that'd presumably exclude a SK/Vig role. There's evidence by action of you protecting Mafia buddies. And your actions just speak louder than your words.
You're guilty and you're cornered so you're calling other people's stories bullshit and attempting to discredit anyone who votes against you.
- CommentAuthorHi Colonic
- CommentTimeDec 5th 2006
Posted By: spookybeth
HC came back with a convenient and not particularly convincing response, Daegul was apparently satisfied with that, and didn’t even question it.
Doesn't this strike anyone else as a lot of dodgy from Daegul, and evidence of an asociation?
Convenient?
Yeah, it was in my PM box from Dasquian. It's my role and my play has been consistent with that.
Convincing?
Well, Locxa, Daegul and Etain aren't currently voting against it, so, no, it may not convince you, but as you're guilty, you already know who the good guys and the bad guys are.
Posted By: spookybeth
their entire case against me is that I didn’t vote for Haug.
I think the way that you are flailing around trying to defend yourself is also part of your case, to me it just makes you look more suspicious.
Spookybeth, can you please point out where this:
He's also acknowledged HC’s points against me even though they have no evidence now that they didn’t have at the start of the day: their entire case against me is that I didn’t vote for Haug.
happened, I couldn't see it on my read through. (admittedly it was a very cursory search). Thanks.
I really can't see there being two mafia teams in a game this small and if there had have been I would have imagined that there would be far more deaths than there have been so far. For that reason I very much doubt that HC and Daegul are mafia together (and As I have already said, I suspect that HC is probably the SK).
- CommentAuthorspookybeth
- CommentTimeDec 5th 2006
2 mafia teams would produce the same number of deaths as a mafia team and a serial killer.
If you can accept that there could be a mafia team of 3 and a SK (4 bad guys spread over 2 teams), why could there not be 2 mafia teams of 2 (4 bad guys spread over 2 teams)?
As for me defending myself, I had a bunch of stuff I wanted to post before deadline, so I posted it all at once.
And I see now that I'm pretty much damned if I do, damned if I don't, and it's been that way all day.
So, just do whatever you feel is best. If you want to believe rhetoric and hearsay rather than confirmable evidence, that's your prerogative.
I could be wrong, all will be revealed very shortly.
Just do whatever you've got to do and I'll see you in the next game.
Kiss me! - I have awesome powers!- CommentAuthorHi Colonic
- CommentTimeDec 6th 2006
What confirmed evidence is there, apart from you not voting for the only bad guy we know about when you could have? That's where you slipped up.
Deadline is 5 hours away.
spookybeth - 2 (Hi Colonic, Daegul)
Hi Colonic - 1 (spookybeth)
Not voting - 2 (etain, Locxa)3 to lynch.
Everyone is loving the big funny joke.The deadline approaches, and still no sign of etain? :/
Spookybeth, I don't see how you can dismiss the case against you as hearsay, while claiming yours is based upon real evidence.
But with so little time left, you're unlikely to convince me, and you're not going to vote yourself, so I guess it's down to Locxa and Etain.
Everybody loves the papoola.I know I'm cutting it a bit fine, but I couldn't get to a computer, sorry. Vote Spookybeth I'll give more explaination after I've got the vote on as we are short on time.
Right, my reasoning:
1. If we have a no lynch we're done for (unless we are very lucky indeed).
2. Spookybeth's case seemed quite your voting me, so I'll attack you, even though she said it wasn't intended to be.
3. If we had lynched HC today (and he was the SK) we would have lost, as he pointed out.Even though I'm not sure we've lynched the right person, at least we have lynched someone. If we hadn't we would have almost certainly lost now we only may lose.
That's a lynch! The end of the day, and, the end of the game!
spookybeth - 3 (Hi Colonic, Daegul, Locxa)
Hi Colonic - 1 (spookybeth)
Not voting - 1 (etain)Posted By: Dr Dokter
Our final session ended, I felt, on a happy note. We had made considerable progress during our hour and, although time was running short, a last-minute breakthrough by the patient led to us identifying the causes of his chronic depression. I am confident that the mental anguish of the patient's past and present will not be present in his future.
However, in my efforts to find the roots of the patient's spiralling depression, I had overlooked his frequent violent outbursts. Just hours later he became uncontrollably violent and we were forced to sedate the patient. Over the days and weeks that followed it was clear that he was now in a permanent state of rage, and only by keeping him heavily drugged could we avoid him hurting himself and and others.
Perhaps one day we will be able to start therapy again, but for now it is with a heavy heart that I am forced to have the man sectioned for his own good.
spookybeth was Torment, and was a major threat to the patient's sanity. The patient denied these feelings even to himself and so no amount of self-reflection would have shown spookybeth to be a threat.
The game is over! The Anger mafia (Hi Colonic and Daegul) wins - congratulations!
Everyone is loving the big funny joke.